So, Obi-Wan. If nothing else, you possibly can’t deny that it was a TV present, and that after six episodes, it has now ended its run on Disney+, not less than for now. Clearly, Kotaku’s greatest Star Wars nerds—Ethan Gach, Ari Notis, and, no shock right here for longtime readers, Zack Zwiezen—needed to discuss in regards to the finale, the present’s highest and lowest factors, and the broader impression its occasions have on ~the canon~. Might the Pressure be with us all.
Ethan Gach: I’ll begin by saying that I didn’t suppose the primary half of Obi-Wan was almost as unhealthy as individuals stated, and I additionally suppose the second half was a lot worse. And by “individuals stated” I imply like, random headlines in my newsfeed.
Zack Zwiezen: I actually loved the primary half and was confused by people being so down on it.
Ari Notis: The primary half of Obi-Wan does not less than function historical past’s funniest chase scene, that’s true.
Zack: See, I didn’t thoughts that in any respect as a result of that they had her. They knew she was screwed. So why kill your self attempting to get a child that you understand is surrounded. Personally, I respect these henchmen. I’m additionally lazy.
Ari: Oh, yeah, let me be clear: I say that as reward! Star Wars at its finest is all the time a bit of bit foolish, which is one thing that’s been absent from the more moderen movies and sequence.
Ethan: We should always most likely begin with the finale. Look, I’ll be sincere, I used to be my cellphone the precise second Obi-Wan sprang out of the rock pit. How did that occur?
Zack: He used the Pressure! As his connection to it had grown.
Ari: He…Compelled his method out, you can say.
Ethan: The oldest trick within the e-book. Players stand up.
Zack: I actually favored the primary half of the present. However the second half and the finale have been my favourite. That combat with Vader on the finish was so unhappy.
Ethan: The Star Wars apologist has entered the chat.
Ari: Sorry, Ethan, you’re going through off towards two Star Wars apologists. That combat was superior—after which, sure, extraordinarily heartbreaking.
Zack: The second he sees his face, realizes his good friend and brother is lifeless and exhibits him mercy, the identical mercy Anakin mocked within the coaching flashback…Rattling. (It additionally jogged my memory a variety of the Ahsoka/Vader duel in Rebels! It’s like poetry, they rhyme!)
Ethan: I do suppose this sequence achieved the only real factor it wanted to, which was make the Obi-Wan/Anakin arc plausible, they usually did it with solely two very transient scenes.
Ari: Make it plausible by, like, bridging the hole between the top of the prequels and the start of the unique trilogy?
Ethan: Or by bringing Hayden Christensen again after he had many years to do higher line reads in his head.
Zack: It explains why Obi-Wan is so prepared for Luke to kill Vader in Empire/Jedi, additionally. He has really given up on him. He’s gone. That second, when Vader smirks and says he killed Anakin. And the pink tint takes over. That’s it. Obi-Wan is finished with him. Even calls him Darth, a pleasant callback to A New Hope.
Ari: Okay, however: Darth is a title! Not a reputation!!!
Zack: Yeah, however again once they made A New Hope, Lucas had no concept that Darth would turn into a title, which is actually why Obi-Wan says Darth in that second. I additionally wish to level out that Reva is nice on this present, and I’m excited to see extra of her, possibly in Fallen Order 2?
Ethan: I’ll say that I don’t suppose the sequence earns any of its reversals, together with Reva’s nonsensical two-episode motivational rollercoaster journey, or Obi-Wan not killing Vader a second time, after his second-biggest failure was not killing him the primary time.
Zack: Obi-Wan exhibits him mercy, which could be very true to his return to being a Jedi at that second.
Ari: Obi-Wan refusing to kill Vader a second time made completely no sense to me. Particularly because the complete cause he stole the escape ship and headed to the planet was implicitly an ego-driven mission to kill Vader!
Zack: Proper! However then he realizes what his good friend turned giving into the darkish facet and stops, much like Reva.
Ethan: Darth Maul? Normal Grievous? Mercy has by no means been a Jedi factor besides when it serves to make extra spin-offs.
Zack: In each these situations the opposite individual was attempting to kill them. Right here, Vader was down and accomplished.
Ethan: Consider the younglings, Zack.
Ethan: I additionally suppose the right interpretation of the unique prequels was that he left Vader to die. So I don’t purchase this mercy shit. I feel the writers simply knew Vader couldn’t die due to ~THE TIMELINE~, and nobody at Disney has the cojones to do what Remaining Fantasy is doing.
Zack: Oh he completely left Vader to die. After which spent a decade terrorized by it. And attempting to recover from that.
Ari: one hundred pc—you possibly can see the shock on Ewan McGregor’s face earlier within the present when he learns Vader remains to be alive.
Zack: And on this present he finds peace after exhibiting mercy.
Ethan: I feel it’s clear from the present his baggage was by no means with leaving him to die. It was with coaching a baby-killer, as evidenced by the numerous flashbacks to Anakin killing infants, and the very fact the writers made one who survived a primary character.
Zack: I feel he undoubtedly had some baggage about killing his brother and good friend!
Ari: Omg, that twist! I’ll absolutely admit I didn’t see that coming for Reva.
Zack: The second when she explains how she lived, the timing of that…fuck. That’s not Lucasfilm’s fault, in fact.
Ari: Nevertheless it performed so properly into the mythos of Vader, too—how he knew the entire rattling time, and was simply toying along with her for, what, like 5 years?
Zack: Vader likes to be further dramatic. It’s one thing the comics have actually amped up and I find it irresistible.
Ethan: I feel she had a really compelling character, and was extraordinarily ill-served by not getting a single first-person episode and being frequently upstaged by Leia. For the file, I hate youngsters onscreen as a result of they normally can’t act.
Zack: It was odd that they by no means gave her an episode! But additionally, now she will get her personal present or film or comedian.
Ari: She completely deserved her personal episode, yeah.
Zack: I feel Leia’s actor was principally strong. Her scenes with Obi-Wan remembering Padme have been a few of my favorites.
Ari: What’d you guys make of the entire, “There’s no method she’s a plausible 10-year-old” discourse?
Zack: Individuals must go exterior.
Ethan: The web is dumb.
Zack: I’ve met youngsters that acted like her. Youngsters could be sensible. Will be courageous. Will be dumb at any age.
Ari: Proper! Which is why it was bizarre for the writers to sneak that line in, from Obi-Wan no much less, about how she doesn’t act like a baby.
Zack: I feel it’s extra that she’s rising up quick.
Ethan: Additionally, nothing on this present is plausible.
Zack: Effectively, that too. That is Star Wars.
Ethan: Least of all Obi-Wan instantly out-Pressure-pushing Vader. Is now once I present you guys my three-chart evaluation of relative Jedi fighter power?
Zack: As Han Solo stated, that’s not how the Pressure works, Ethan
Ethan: I feel it was only a very trite mechanism for attempting to repair Obi-Wan’s trauma—pure-hearted wunderkid teaches previous man he doesn’t have to repair the previous to stay within the now.
Zack: So…Star Wars?
Ari: For a sequence that’s turn into so obsessive about “letting the previous die” it’s actually dedicated to dwelling prior to now, huh.
Zack: I swear, I let it slide for this present as a result of I really like Obi-Wan, but when we return to Tatooine once more, I’ll scream.
Ethan: Zack, what have been the conspiracy theories about Obi-Wan being a clone or from a unique timeline?
Zack: Again within the previous days, earlier than the prequels, individuals theorized that Obi-Wan was a clone warrior from the Clone Wars: OB-1.
Ari: Oh, I get it! Obi-One!
Ethan: I do suppose there was a gap for them to explode the timeline, and that in some unspecified time in the future they should retcon extra stuff in larger methods and that will probably be wonderful as a result of individuals are simply right here for the sunshine sabers and dumb sound results.
Zack: I would like them to maneuver ahead with Star Wars, or go method again and do some Excessive Republic stuff.
Ethan: Superb what you possibly can conjure with one mysterious line and never 100 books, films, and TV exhibits of backstory. Can we discuss Dude The place’s My Speeder Qui-Gon?
Zack: Hey, I’ve needed a Pressure ghost Qui-Gon in live-action for a very long time. Dude was the primary Jedi to determine that out.
Ethan: Massive similar, Zack. Qui-Gon is the best onscreen Jedi (is sensible as a result of he’s, like, the final of a dying breed) and but his cameo felt prefer it had all of the TLC of an overdue faculty undertaking being glued collectively throughout homeroom.
Zack: Yeah…I anticipated extra!
Ari: Qui-Gon invented the Pressure ghost?
Zack: It’s rather a lot however, sure. I don’t wish to dump all that in right here.
Ethan: Ari, the place have you ever been?
Ari: I’ve been exterior! So I’ll accept the three-sentence rundown.
Zack: Qui-Gon was extraordinarily related to the dwelling Pressure, and was capable of stay past his mortal life. And taught Yoda this within the Clone Battles present. And presumably taught Obi-Wan.
Ari: Okay, reconsidering the scenes the place Obi-Wan’s attempting to speak to him…these make method extra sense now.
Zack: Oh, yeah. A part of the explanation Obi-Wan can’t see him or discuss to him at first is that, to do this, you’ll want to be at peace with your self. And, uh…as we noticed, he had some baggage and demons to cope with.
Ari: Therefore the mercy factor.
Ethan: Like to let the galaxy’s Hitler go so I can lastly simply vibe with my mentor within the desert.
Ari: There’s a case to be made that Obi-Wan is now partially chargeable for the destruction of Alderaan.
Zack: I imply, that’s extra on Tarkin and Krennic. Nevertheless it additionally falls in keeping with the Obi-Wan we see in New Hope. Dude simply lets Vader “win” as a result of that’s all he desires. That complete “strike me down, and I’ll turn into extra highly effective” stuff. Personally, and I do know Ewan has stated he’s down for extra, however I’m good with this being a one-and-done present. I feel that is all we want. The comics choose up after this and inform some smaller tales, however that doesn’t should be a present.
Ethan: I do suppose there is a crucial rigidity between Jedi being house police and non secular stoics and Obi-Wan prioritizing his personal salvation over the fabric wants of his associates and friends. That’s an intriguing character wrinkle that this present needed to have each methods.
Zack: Oh sure! That is one thing that the flicks don’t cope with very properly, however exhibits and comics have—the concept of those house monks additionally being house cops and the way, over time, that finally ends up being the factor that does them in, that they get too obsessive about guidelines and defending the galaxy and combating in wars, and lose their method and connection to the Pressure.
Ethan: The place would you each rank the finale when it comes to the six-part sequence, and if taken altogether, the place would you rank it among the many remainder of the sequence and films?
Ari: That’s nonetheless gestating for me, however I’ll say: This might’ve been a film. Possibly even ought to’ve.
Zack: Hmmmm…I’ve been interested by that. I feel the finale was my favourite episode. And I feel altogether, it’s my favourite live-action Star Wars factor since Final Jedi. It additionally might have been a film! However Lucasfilm appears terrified of constructing these proper now.
Ethan: Clearly I’d rank it above Boba Fett however under Mando. And someplace within the backside third of flicks and sequence total. I can admire that Disney is simply throwing cash at its properties to flood Disney+ with content material, however the nerd in me would love for a status Excessive Republic sequence in some unspecified time in the future the place it’s principally simply individuals speaking in entrance of sci-fi backdrops.
Zack: We’re getting the Acolyte, which can probably be a Excessive Republic present! No less than, primarily based on the main points which have been shared about it.
Ari: That’d be the dream, although it looks as if Disney is intent on coloring in each little hole on this tiny five-decade interval of Star Wars historical past, regardless of the canon spanning 1000’s of years of a single galaxy. Did the Reva a part of the finale be just right for you two? Or do you, like me, suppose her character most likely ought to’ve simply exited (nonetheless alive, however with a cliffhanger) on the finish of episode 5?
Zack: I wasn’t certain about it till the second when she sees herself as Luke and realizes she is changing into a monster, like Vader. That dialog between her and Obi-wan, plus that second, labored and so I used to be joyful to have her again for the finale. And I do suppose she exhibits up once more, someplace.
Ari: With the announcement of Fallen Order 2 going down across the similar level within the timeline, and the prevalence of Inquisitors within the first sport, that appears probably, yeah. However I don’t know, I assume I simply couldn’t sq. the logic of her going to Tattooine to homicide Luke? Like what was the purpose of that? Aside from an excuse to get her and Obi-Wan on display screen collectively once more.
Zack: She simply needed to harm Obi-Wan, one way or the other. She couldn’t kill Vader and was determined for revenge.
Ethan: I learn it as her with the ability to kill Vader’s child.
Ari: Is it established that she is aware of Luke’s his child?
Zack: Did the message say it was Vader’s child?
Ethan: Don’t head-canon disgrace me.
Zack: Lol. I did like how Luke by no means sees her lightsaber, so he can nonetheless be stunned to see Obi-Wan’s. It jogged my memory of how Anakin and Normal Grievous by no means meet in Clone Wars, so his line in regards to the basic wanting quick works in Revenge of the Sith.
Ethan: It’s wild they spend a lot time worrying in regards to the foolish continuity stuff (and solely half the time) and never, like, making good TV.
Zack: However Ethan, it was good TV?! But additionally I’m a sucker for them doing foolish issues like that to guard ~the canon~.
Ari: Actually, shoot the canon with a Dying Star cannon.
Ethan: I do suppose it’s telling that they spent all this time and money and principally delivered on little greater than you’d get from a BioWare Previous Republic cinematic trailer. Right here’s to Jedi Fallen Order 2 (sorry, by no means gonna name it Survivor) being higher than each new Star Wars factor since Disney Plus launched.
Zack: Hey, Dangerous Batch was nice!
Ari: Let’s name it Jedi Standing-Again-Up-Once more Order.
Zack: So, who’s enthusiastic about Andor?
[Everyone abandons Zack to his own personal fantasy realm in which even the prequels are considered good.]